Friday, April 21, 2023

Mark Stewart - 1987 interview and album review (RIP)

 


Melody Maker, October 7 1987





















Melody Maker, November 21 1987


Mark Stewart is also quoted in this piece on Tricky's Maxinquaye, in which he had a germinative role. 

TRICKY's MAXINQUAYE in SPIN'S BEST ALBUMS OF THE NINETIES

Spin, 1999

by Simon Reynolds

TRICKY, Maxinquaye (Island, 1995)

Although all but one of its tracks were recorded in London, Maxinquaye has everything to do with Tricky's home town Bristol, the west of England port whose bohemian milieu of Brit B-boys and post-punk radicals spawned Massive Attack, Portishead, and the Reprazent clan. "In Bristol, all the different ghettos were mixing in the early Eighties," says Mark Stewart, ex-frontman of legendary avant-funk outfit The Pop Group. "We'd go to reggae 'blues' parties, industrial punk events, and hip hop jams at this crucial club called The Dugout."

Through his friendship with The Wild Bunch (the DJ collective that evolved into Massive Attack) Stewart became a mentor to Tricky. It was Stewart who first pushed Tricky onstage and who encouraged him to start a career outside Massive. "He's my chaos," says Tricky. "When people say I'm weird, I say 'you've got to hang around Mark'. He lives out of a suitcase which contains, like, a jar of mayonnaise, cassettes, and articles clipped out of magazines. He lived with me for two months and got me chucked out of my flat!" It was while they were rooming together that Stewart persuaded Tricky to "blag" money off Massive Attack's management for solo recording. "His idea was to spend half of it on drink!", laughs Tricky. The remaining 300 pounds paid for studio time for "Aftermath", a downtempo drift of "hip hop blues" that eventually became Tricky's debut single.

With Stewart operating as "executive producer" (as Tricky puts it), "Aftermath" came together haphazardly. Stewart remembers the session as "just me and Tricks messing about on an 8 track," looping beats and weaving in samples that Tricky plucked from "some guy's pile of records". Outside his house, Tricky met Martina Topley-Bird--a schoolgirl in uniform, waiting for a bus--and on impulse invited her to sing. "I laid down a guide vocal for her, but we decided to keep my voice in, 'cos it sounded haunting." This slightly out-of-synch pairing of Martina's dulcet croon and Tricky's bleary rapping became the model for much of Maxinquaye. There was a fourth collaborator on "Aftermath",claims Tricky--he believes the post-apocalyptic scenario lyrics were channeled from his mother, who died when he was four. "I found out later that she used to write words, poetry, but never showed them to anybody."

Tricky offered "Aftermath" to Massive, who were still pulling together their 1991 debut Blue Lines. But, chuckles Tricky, the band's 3D "told me 'it's shit, you're never going to make it as a producer". "Aftermath" stayed on cassette for three years,unreleased; Tricky fell out of touch with Topley-Bird. After Blue Lines's release, Tricky was in limbo, idling on a retainer wage from Massive. "All I did was smoke weed, drink in bars, and go to clubs from Wednesday to Sunday." He sank into a slough of despond, complete with marijuana-induced paranoid hallucinations of demons in his living room.

This dark period inspired Tricky's next recording, "Ponderosa" and its lyrics about an alcohol-and-spliff induced descent through "different levels of the Devil's company". Underpinned by a clanking, lurching percussion influenced by Indian bhangra,"Ponderosa" was one of several tracks demoed in London with engineering wizard Howard Bernstein (a/k/a Howie B), courtesy of Island Records. "Tricky was living with me and my girlfriend Harriet for a while," remembers Bernstein. "Kippers for breakfast, and Tricky kipping on a couch in the front room." Hospitable Howie believed he was all set to be a partner in the album project, should Island decide to sign Tricky. But management conflicts resulted in a "a legal nightmare" and left almost an album's worth of tunes stranded on the shelf. Although "Ponderosa" did clinch the Island deal, Bernstein was not included and "walked away with a sour taste in my mouth."

Tricky, meanwhile, bought a home studio and started work on the album in a grim area of London called Harlesden, where he and Topley-Bird were ensconced as house mates, although they barely knew each other. Aggravating his desolate surroundings and the alienation caused by moving from his hometown Bristol to a city where he had no friends, Tricky was listening to a relentlessly glum soundtrack-- The Geto Boys, Billie Holliday, and The Specials. The "concrete bleak sound" of Specials classics such as "Ghost Town" is just one thread in the Maxinquaye tapestry. Alongside the obvious hip hop ancestry (Eric B & Rakim's cinematic rap noir; Public Enemy--Tricky hailed Chuck D as "my Shakespeare"), the album is steeped in the influence of English art-rock weirdness ---Bowie, Numan, Japan, Peter Gabriel, and Kate Bush ("I think she's in the same league as John Lennon," Tricky gushes). Even more unlikely, Tricky claims that the gorgeous aural malaise of "Abbaon Fat Tracks" got its curious title because "it reminded me of Abba--but fucked up, and with phat beats."

An enigmatic tribute to his mother Maxine Quaye, the album's title was originally intended as Tricky and Martina's collective bandname until the rapper capitulated to

Island's pressure and agreed to record under his nom de mic'. Released in 1995 to massive acclaim, Maxinquaye works simultaneously as an autobiographical account of one man's struggles and as a wider allegory. Evoking the orphanned drift, sociocultural deadlock, and pre-millenial tension of the Nineties just as Sly Stone's There's A Riot Goin' On had expressed the caged rage and curdled idealism of the early Seventies, Maxinquaye seemed to be partly about the inability of Tricky's generation to imagine utopia, let alone build it.

"We're all fucking lost!", Tricky declared. "I can't see how things are gonna get better. I think we have to destroy everything and start again. But I can't pretend I've got the answers. Bob Marley, he could write songs about freedom and love. I'm just telling the truth that I'm confused, I'm paranoid, I'm scared, I'm vicious."

Yet for all its despondency and dread, Maxinquaye is ultimately a redemptive experience.
























8 comments:

  1. Do you feel glum that The Pop Group only became a name among music geeks, as opposed to music snobs? Should The Pop Group have become as broadly venerated as Joy Division, PiL, The Fall and The Gang of Four? Could they have?

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  2. Throbbing Gristle never cared about widespread acceptance, and they managed it, in a suitably perverse way.

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  3. Sorry if that sounds harsher than I intended. I love The Pop Group. But they haven't entered the popular consciousness like the other bands I mentioned.

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  5. I think the Pop Group are one of those groups that served a purpose as a provocation and a pointer to wide-open possibilities. 'She is Beyond Good and Evil' is the best capture of their sound, the sense of 'all gates open'. But Y is too much / all over the place, and then with How Much Longer the music gets more focused but the lyrical angle of attack has become too blunt and didactic and guilt-wracked.

    But they had a great value as a talking point, a presence in the music press, and as an influence on others e.g. Birthday Party, A Certain Ratio, 23 Skidoo. They were among the very first to talk about funk - them and Talking Heads I think. And the offshoots and sequels are quite impressive when you look at the span of Pigbag (that is when The Pop Group become a pop group), Rip Rig and Panic (never a fan but still), Glaxo, Maximum Joy, and of course Mark Stewart himself.

    PiL are probably the nearest comparison to Pop Group in terms of abstraction and uncompromising-ness - and the funk and dub reggae and harmolodic jazz influences. But Lydon & crew are almost pop by comparison - there are tunes, hooks, the vocals seem more effectively targeted both as a sonic weapon and as a lyrical attack.

    Mentioning A Certain Ratio, I think of them too as a group who only delivered on vinyl a few times... the early singles (especially 'Flight') a little later 'Knife Slits Water'. The best album or near-album is Graveyard and the Ballroom. But the idea of them had this rippling catalytic effect - funk noir, dread disco.

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  6. The Pop Group's first recording session was paid for by Hugh Cornwell, dontcha know.

    I really like the Pop Group's second album - "Forces Of Oppression" is one of the great incendiary opening tracks, up there with "Down On The Street". There is a genuine beauty that comes out in their music, sudden moments of poignancy that leaven the otherwise bleak worldview. Their third-worldist politics were not totally out of the mainstream, as I think John Pilger was still writing for the Mirror at that time, and Don McCullen (whose photographs were culled (no pun intended) for Y and the first Killing Joke album) was still a much in demand photographer. Also the world at that time was I think in a genuinely terrible state - the Cold War, Cambodia, Lebanon, the Congo, Northern Ireland, South Africa, El Salvador etc. etc. It's easy to forget how bad things were.

    That said, I basically disagreed with the worldview, the mystical identification of America, or "the West" as the ultimate first cause of every problem, as though Pol Pot or the Ayatollah Khomeini had no real agency, were just reacting like angry wasps or something. Also the counter-productive idea of oppression being "structured" and pervasive, which just robs people of agency and makes the system of power appear more daunting than it actually is.

    There's an old occult maxim that "you imitate what you contemplate", and I think Mark Stewart did effectively ghettoise himself - his sympathy for the marginalised resulted in him marginalising himself. I'm very ambivalent about his solo/Maffia stuff, which was musically great, but the worldview was just too unremittingly bleak.

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  7. The thinking is a bit 17 year old spliff head solving the world's problems with sweeping ideas (or equally, the System controls everything, nothing we can do).

    The way people today throw around words like neoliberalism or globalisation or sometimes just capitalism is kind of similar - un-nuanced, totalizing, paralyzing.

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  8. Lenin and Trotsky in an endless loop of seminars about Structural Tsarism.

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